http://openluna.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Mission_Plan&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Mission Plan - Revision history2024-03-29T06:12:09ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.20.3http://openluna.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Mission_Plan&diff=1697&oldid=prevPaul: /* Mission2, S"Boomerang Class", [Getta Sample] */2011-08-29T02:41:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Mission2, S"Boomerang Class", [Getta Sample]</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]] Thinking it over, the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost [besides funding], is digging a trench, rolling a partially-inflated hab into it, backfilling the hab in the trench and then covering the hab module with at '''least''' three meters of ray-shielding regolith.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]] Thinking it over, the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost [besides funding], is digging a trench, rolling a partially-inflated hab into it, backfilling the hab in the trench and then covering the hab module with at '''least''' three meters of ray-shielding regolith.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trouble is, the Mils are gonna wanna be involved<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>they <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">consider </del>Luna the "<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">High </del>Ground" in the next <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">big </del>war <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">because </del>it will <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Trouble is, the Mils are gonna wanna be involved <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">because </ins>they <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">know that a militarized </ins>Luna <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">would be </ins>the "<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Highest </ins>Ground" in the next war<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. The minute we let '''one''' mil inside, </ins>it will <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">become considered just that, high ground</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>The Mil will <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">pay big bucks </del>to work with and for them. Anybody want it?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>The Mil will <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">bribe us </ins>to work with and for them. Anybody want it?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>If a company refuses the participation of the MIL, the Mil <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">will </del>politically prevent the program from flying. They are a large part of why nasa hasn't led us into space but cancelled every good space access project. The mil is responsible for keeping nasa's Gateway to Space closed and locked. Until now. The ugly point is that we will have to take the accursed power structures of LimboEarth with us, darn it.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>If a company refuses the participation of the MIL, the Mil <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">may </ins>politically prevent the program from flying. They are a large part of <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the reason </ins>why nasa hasn't led us into space but cancelled every good space access project<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. Nasa defacto is a technology developer for the military/industrial complex. Defacto, doesn't matter if the CALL themselves a civilian agency</ins>. The mil is responsible for keeping nasa's Gateway to Space closed and locked. Until now. The ugly point is that we will have to take the accursed power structures of LimboEarth with us, darn it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Navigaiterhttp://openluna.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Mission_Plan&diff=713&oldid=prevNavigaiter at 17:30, 1 July 20092009-07-01T17:30:06Z<p></p>
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</table>Navigaiterhttp://openluna.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Mission_Plan&diff=598&oldid=prevPaul: /* Mission5, Explorer, [Landa Crew, Builda Station] */ answered a few points.2009-06-28T05:47:36Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Mission5, Explorer, [Landa Crew, Builda Station]: </span> answered a few points.</span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]]How 'bout putting a web-cam on a LunaSat and charging web-surfers a few hundred  to a thousand bucks a minute to pan, tilt and zoom a well-made web-cam that's a quarter of a million miles away? The satellite would already have built-in radio data channels and a camera of some type so the web-cam function would be a minor edit. </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Just a thought on what is a closer goal.  GES 6/4/09  You think Mission 1 should be modified, GES? How so? What would be a great but tiny mission profile? [6/27/09 Nav]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Just a thought on what is a closer goal.  GES 6/4/09  You think Mission 1 should be modified, GES? How so? What would be a great but tiny mission profile? <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Come on, elaborate, don't just burp 'n run! </ins>[6/27/09 Nav]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]]Thinking it over, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I think </del>the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost is digging a trench, rolling a partially-inflated hab into it, backfilling the hab in the trench and then covering the hab module with at '''least''' three meters of ray-shielding regolith.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]] Thinking it over, the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[besides funding], </ins>is digging a trench, rolling a partially-inflated hab into it, backfilling the hab in the trench and then covering the hab module with at '''least''' three meters of ray-shielding regolith.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Need a forklift/backhoe to do that, even in 1/8 gravity. Apollo showed us that doing physical work in a MoonSuit is a non-starter. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but it must be done gently to protect the hab skin.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Need a forklift/backhoe to do that, even in 1/8 gravity. Apollo showed us that doing physical work in a MoonSuit is a non-starter. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but it must be done gently to protect the hab skin.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Boy, a backhoe is so heavy that it would need its own MoonTrip to haul it over there.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Boy, a backhoe is so heavy that it would need its own MoonTrip to haul it over there.  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>'''Mission5 needs 3 parts''' -- [1] Backhoe Trip [2] Add a trip for the hab and [3] Another one for the crew and supplies and whew, that's big league cash. But it will be done<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. Hey! '''Naming rights''' for the Luna Lodge could be worth '''50 billion''' bucks to somebody who needs a great monument to their insatiable greed. [You reading, Bill Gates?] The first Luna Lodge will definitely be a monument to mankinds insatiable need to exceed</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>'''Mission5 needs 3 parts''' -- [1] Backhoe Trip [2] Add a trip for the hab and [3] Another one for the crew and supplies and whew, that's big league cash. But it will be done.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>'''Teleoperations''' would produce instant income from around the world. This is where various things on and around Luna could be operated by web surfers for a fee transacted with a credit card. The simplest is to control the pan, tilt and zoom of a '''web-cam''' on a Lunar Orbiter. [!] Easy</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>'''Teleoperations''' would produce instant income from around the world. This is where various things on and around Luna could be operated by web surfers for a fee transacted with a credit card. The simplest is to control the pan, tilt and zoom of a '''web-cam''' on a Lunar Orbiter. [!] Easy</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Then there is the big ticket thrill; teleoperating a '''LunarRover!''' Five Grand per minute? I think so.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Then there is the big ticket thrill; teleoperating a '''LunarRover!''' Five Grand per minute? I think so.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Surely the mission will be on site for two to four weeks? I think that with enough planning and prefabrication and practice, a hab can be operational in that period. There's not much choice. A moon trip is so enormously expensive that you'll need big results, huge results, every single trip.</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Mission5 ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thinking it over, I think the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost is covering the hab module with at least three meters of regolith. Need a forklift/backhoe to do that. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but must be done <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">carefully</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:Navigaiter|Navigaiter]]Thinking it over, I think the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">digging a trench, rolling a partially-inflated hab into it, backfilling the hab in the trench and then </ins>covering the hab module with at <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'''</ins>least<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''' </ins>three meters of <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ray-shielding </ins>regolith.  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Boy, a backhoe is so heavy it would need its own <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">trip </del>to haul it there. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Another </del>trip for the hab and one for the crew and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">suplies. </del>whew, that's cash. But it <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">has to </del>be done <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">somehow</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> Allen M</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Need a forklift/backhoe to do that<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, even in 1/8 gravity. Apollo showed us that doing physical work in a MoonSuit is a non-starter</ins>. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it </ins>must be done <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">gently to protect the hab skin</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'''Teleoperations''' would produce instant income from around the world. This is where various things on and around Luna could be operated by web surfers for a fee transacted with a credit card. The simplest is to control the pan, tilt and zoom of a '''web-cam''' on a Lunar Orbiter. [!] Easy</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">  </del>Surely the mission will be on site for two to four weeks? I think that with enough planning and prefabrication and practice, a hab can be operational in that period. There's not much choice. A moon trip is so enormously expensive that you'll need big results, huge results, every single trip.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Surely the mission will be on site for two to four weeks? I think that with enough planning and prefabrication and practice, a hab can be operational in that period. There's not much choice. A moon trip is so enormously expensive that you'll need big results, huge results, every single trip.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">  </del>Thinking it over, I think the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost is covering the hab module with at least three meters of regolith. Need a forklift/backhoe to do that. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but must be done carefully.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thinking it over, I think the roughest thing to the establishment of an outpost is covering the hab module with at least three meters of regolith. Need a forklift/backhoe to do that. First, piling boulders against the hab will hasten the fill process but must be done carefully.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">  </del>Boy, a backhoe is so heavy it would need its own trip to haul it there. Another trip for the hab and one for the crew and suplies. whew, that's cash. But it has to be done somehow.  Allen M</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Boy, a backhoe is so heavy it would need its own trip to haul it there. Another trip for the hab and one for the crew and suplies. whew, that's cash. But it has to be done somehow.  Allen M</div></td></tr>
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